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Bob Dobalina
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| I wonder if New Orleans was card carrying WASP country instead of dirt poor ethnic people would Shrub get away with pulling the plug on the civil engineering project that would have averted this enormous disaster. |
I think things would have been quite different were it a wealthy, white area.
Moreover, even within the affected area, there's a contrast between rich and poor.
The rich and middle class could get out, many of the poor could not. The folks left behind are poor and blacker than the city as a whole. Moreover, most of the richer areas of the city (like the French Quarter) are in less dire straits because they are at somewhat higher ground. |
Yeah I agree with what you are saying. I think the response would be proportionate to the wealth of the community. Other than places like Greenwich Connecticut pretty much everyone else will be on their own to sink or swim. I guess what I was getting at is even Bush's core voters who are largely middle class WASPS would buy into the dog and pony show at least until they realize they’ve been pwned, although I don't think they would be treated with quite the total disregard the people of New Orleans have been shown.
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mostomotus
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I sense a real sea change among the mainstream media-- Jack Cafferty, Anderson Cooper, Koppell, etc.-- they are all back to the ask a lot of questions and badger the govt officials mode that they were in during the Clinton years.
I also sense that some (maybe not most, but some) are seeing the class differences and the response that the govt has made.
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Bob Dobalina
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That's very good to hear. This is a disaster of a magnitude unparralled in US history and it was ignored. Not only that, it was largely preventable and, to add insult to injury, now Bush is shining us on.
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bedtimeforbonzo
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Y'all still live in the US, so you know better than I, but what's your take on white America watching black America starve? Are whites not rescueing them because they are afraid of them and where they might go if out of N.O.? It's a disgusting question, but I'm serious.
Just what is the racial mood really like these days? I bugged out early in Reagan's days having seen enough. |
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Flyoverstater
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: The view from the welfare state (re: New Orleans) |
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(beside W's bizarre too little, too little late, almost apathetic recitation of the same old same old "rousing" applause words)
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Aw. I don't know. At least he came on the tube and told people to get the heck out of there well before the storm hit. That was the best advice anyone could give.
We spend a lot of time looking for anything to kick him about, don't you think? |
Looks like I got in late and missed the trolling. :cry:
Complete, we actually could spend more time if we tried. I average about 5 hours sleep a night, but if I cut back to 3 hours, I would have 2 more hours to find stuff to kick Bush and his admin!  Then again lately it hasn't been that hard to find stuff |
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Bob Dobalina
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Y'all still live in the US, so you know better than I, but what's your take on white America watching black America starve? Are whites not rescueing them because they are afraid of them and where they might go if out of N.O.? It's a disgusting question, but I'm serious.
Just what is the racial mood really like these days? I bugged out early in Reagan's days having seen enough. |
Local people in Hawaii, rightfully so, are not known for their fondness of the white man ( or haulies in Hawaiian). Every year at the end of the school semester there is "Kill Haulie Day", in which, the white kids get their asses kicked. Be that as it may, there is, in general, a prevailing sense of aloha and ohana here. Native Hawaiians have good reason not to like the US government. The US used gun boat diplomacy to take their kingdom and defaulted on it's treaties with the Hawaiians. To this date Hawaiian Home Lands, similar to reservations on the mainland, haven't been provided. By the time they are provided, if ever, there will be very few Hawaiians with enough Hawaiian blood to qualify for Hawaiian Housing. There are elderly Hawaiians who have been on the waiting list their entire lives and are still waiting for the housing they were promised, but I digress. ...
In truth Bonzo, I'm just like you, I am as far away from the US mainland as you can get without loosing citizenship. 
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"The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch."
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agitprop
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Y'all still live in the US, so you know better than I, but what's your take on white America watching black America starve? Are whites not rescueing them because they are afraid of them and where they might go if out of N.O.? It's a disgusting question, but I'm serious.
Just what is the racial mood really like these days? I bugged out early in Reagan's days having seen enough. |
Here's one positive story:
A few days ago my local liberal-ish news interviewed a very poor and uneducated black man in N.O who was wondering the streets with his kids mumbling through his tears how he tried to save his wife but he couldn't. He said she told him that it was okay to let her go but to take care of the kids. Heartbreaking to say the least. I got pretty choked up. Flash forward to today they caught up with the man and he found his home in rubble but they also found his wife's body. Apparently his neighbor, a white, very large red-neck looking man wearing a camouflage baseball hat played a hand in saving the man. They reunited and the two embraced and he thanked him for saving his life. Also since the story, calls and letters asking how to get money to this man has poured into the news station. The man looked at the camera and thanked America.
I guess every once in a while, something goes right. |
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bedtimeforbonzo
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| "The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." |
Typical Bush.
Lets analyze Bush's wisdom:
1) "...and it's hard for some to see it now..." "some"? as in outsiders and malcontents?
2) "...is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before..." Geomorpholgists have been pointing out that "as it was before" has long been the problem. The natural "shock absorbers" of coastal wetlands, dunes and other features are being either remove or built on for the view and beach access. No wonder W was a D student. D as in dumbass.
3) "...he's lost his entire house..." As I understand Lott owns several houses. Leave it to Bush to gloss over that.
4) "...there's going to be a fantastic house..." Slush funds and kickbacks do indeed allow such houses.
5) "...And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." Of Trent Lott's house, not some visit to the rebuilt flooded homes of the poor.
Even in (supposedly) addressing the nation, W's upper-class bias is so exclusionary, that he can't can't keep it out of his BS. He is addressing the angry white hannitys only.
Impeach. |
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